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joshua
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posted 04-07-2004 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joshua   Click Here to Email joshua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He’s Bush’s youngest brother, and from the years 1993 to 2000 he was a principle in a private Kuwait-American investment firm formally known as Securacom, but now known as Stratasec. This firm provided security for the World Trade Center, Dulles international airport and United Airlines between 1995 and 2001.

In an effort to refresh your memory, and hopefully not dredge up the horror of that day (only the truth) I’d like to remind everyone that two of the planes hijacked on Sept. 11 were United Airline’s planes, the third plane took off from Dulles airport and we all know how the WTC played a part in this, sadly.

Despite the fact that Marvin Bush was a principle shareholder in this firm when most of the major security work for these three clients was designed and implemented he, nor the firm, have been brought before the 9/11 commission. Why? Why hasn’t the White House revealed its connection to the company? In fact paper work documenting this connection is being held from the public and Marvin Bush, as far as I know, refuses to reply to any journalists.

Actually, instead of being investigated he and the company he worked for have benefited. The Bush White House pushed limitations on liability and national security protections from investigation through congress and stalled the formation of the independent commission on 9/11 until these limitations were put into place. You may also remember this as the time the Bush administration intervened on a lawsuit brought against United Airlines by the families of the victim’s of 9/11. Starting to get pissed off yet?

Funny enough, another company benefiting from these limitations to investigation and liability is HCC Insurance Holdings, Inc, a company that carried some of the insurance of the WTC. Would it surprise you to know that Marvin Bush sat as director of that company until November of 2002 and remains an adviser to the chairman, plus is still on the board of directors, as well as a member of the companies investment committee?

But back to Stratesec. Once George Bush was made president of the United States Stratesec added a government division, “providing the same full range of security systems services as the commercial division.” They now had “an open ended contract with the General Services Administration (GSA) and a Blanket Purchase Agreement (BPA) with the agency that allows the government to purchase materials and services from the Company without having to go through a full competition.” – from a press release by Stratesec in December 2000.

Let’s repeat that last line shall we, “WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH A FULL COMPETITION.” So much for the capitalist agenda and free market economy that Bush has been platforming on, but then who can forget no bid contracts to Haliburton?

The company, since the appointment of George Bush, now counts among its clients the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force, and the Department of Justice. In 2000 the U.S. Army gave the company 6.9 million dollars.

Dulles is regarded as a sensitive target due to its location, size, and number of international carriers flying in and out. It’s unusual for one company to handle security for both the airport and the airlines. It’s also unusual for a security firm serving international facilities to be tied to foreign-owned monies. It’s been suggested in security circles that the contract was not scrutinized enough. “Somebody knew someone,” says Wayne Black, head of a Florida based security firm. Black continues, “when you [a company] have a security contract, you know the inner workings of everything." And if another company is linked with the security company, then "What's on your computer is on their computer."

"You can have all the security systems in the world, but the people behind the systems make the difference," said retired FAA special agent Brian F. Sullivan. The Bush administration, "spit in the faces" of the victims' families, in pushing for last-minute protections for foreign-owned security companies (in the Homeland Security bill). "Not one single person" in an upper-level position has lost a job as a result of 9/11, "not in the FBI, CIA, FAA, DOT… No accountability, no progress." Sullivan also says, “If they [attackers] knew about the security system, they knew how to bypass it.”

So who could’ve known what about the security system?

As mentioned above, KuwAm - the Kuwait-American Corporation -- has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec. At that time KuwAm held a large and often controlling interest in Securacom, at times as much as 90%, either directly or through partnerships.

Marvin Bush was reelected annually to Securacom's board of directors from 1993 through 1999. His final reelection was on May 25, 1999, for July 1999 to June 2000.

Stratesec and KuwAm were and still are intertwined at the top. Mishal Yousef Saud Al Sabah, the chairman at KuwAm, also served on Stratesec's board from 1991 to 2001.

The Saudi Arabian embassy, the country from which most of the hijackers came; the Kuwait embassy and KuwAm have office suites in the Watergate complex, where both Stratesec and Aviation General held their annual shareholders' meetings in 1999, 2000, and 2001. Bush was reelected to his annual board position there, across the hall from a Saudi Arabian Airlines office.

Incidentally, Saudi Princess Haifa Al-Faisal had her checking account at Riggs Bank, which has a large branch in the Watergate. Jonathan Bush, the president's uncle, is a Riggs executive, it is difficult to understand any obstacle for American authorities pursuing the recently reported "Saudi money trail.” The princess's charitable activities were processed through Riggs, but attention focused on the Saudis seems not to extend to the politically-connected bank they used since Riggs - which services 95 percent of Washington's foreign embassies – has not turned over records relating to Saudi finance.

But don’t forget, President Bush has nominated William H. Donaldson to head the Securities and Exchange Commission. Donaldson, a longtime Bush family friend, was a Yale classmate of uncle Jonathan Bush. So maybe that accounts for the leniency.

Neither the FBI nor any other agents have questioned anyone at Stratesec about the company's security work in connection with 9/11.

According to the FBI regional office, since October 2001, "the investigation [of 9/11] is being coordinated at the national level, directly from the White House." Riiiight.

So, what do we have here? Probably just a lot of coincidences… a whole lot of coincidences. Doubtful. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. Avoiding the extremist theories (which seem to gain more and more validity every day) we will just go with the most surface and optimistic answer. The Bush administration will not pursue a true investigation of the security issues before 9/11 because doing so would unearth the mound of connections between the Bush family and Middle Eastern money, Middle Eastern money that can be directly tied to the terrorist attack that Bush has exploited for political gain.

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posted 04-07-2004 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geoff   Click Here to Email Geoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Damn...the rabbit hole keeps getting deeper. Where do you find this shit? I love it.

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posted 04-08-2004 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wonderboy   Click Here to Email wonderboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hah... and look what happened to Marvin's babysitter!


http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/10/273301.shtml

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posted 04-08-2004 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frozen Ghost   Click Here to Email Frozen Ghost     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by wonderboy:
hah... and look what happened to Marvin's babysitter!
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/10/273301.shtml

Yes, that is an awful thing to have happen to someone alright.

I don't understand the "hah" though Mike. I know that couldn't be a laugh over a 62 year old woman being crushed by a car. I'm not suggesting that's what it was but that very well could be the first impression folks get from seeing it bubba.

More than likely it's a "hah" look at the mysterious circumstances surrounding the death of his babysitter, right? Yeah, I can see conspiracy "Tee-hee" in it. She probably knew too much and had to be rubbed out using the old, "old lady run over by driverless car" gag. Works every time.

I think we're getting into 6 degrees from Kevin Bacon territory if you get my meaning.
<Geeez> I get the feeling I'm getting a bit nit-picky about things but then again I don't know how to take you guys sometimes. Sorry.

The Frizzen Haint

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posted 04-08-2004 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frozen Ghost   Click Here to Email Frozen Ghost     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Burp. I screwed up editing a post. Again.

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posted 04-08-2004 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frozen Ghost   Click Here to Email Frozen Ghost     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/04/284803.shtml

That is a good article along with the comment that follows. Very true that. Very true.

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posted 04-08-2004 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BoredCynic™ v2.0     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...and did you hear about what happened to Marvin's Avon lady?

I think she was last seen renting "questionable" videos from Blockbuster.

Did you know that the people that own Blockbuster pray to the same God as the Bush's?

It's getting curioser and curiouser....

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posted 04-08-2004 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frozen Ghost   Click Here to Email Frozen Ghost     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BoredCynic™ v2.0:

Did you know that the people that own Blockbuster pray to the same God as the Bush's?
It's getting curioser and curiouser....

Only if they pronounce it the same. It's either "God" or "Gawd". You have everybody on the planet who pronounces it God on one side and everybody on the planet that pronounces Gawd on the other. True you may have a few fence riders who say Goawd while running their hands across their mouth, but they're going to hey-yell as everybody knows.

Tha Fah-row-zen Ga-oust


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posted 04-08-2004 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BoredCynic™ v2.0     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gawd DAY-UM!

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posted 04-08-2004 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joshua   Click Here to Email joshua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did not mention the housekeeper incident in my post because while it's dodgy, it's not hard line factual data suggesting corruption. Marvin also ran Fresh Del Monte into the ground while he was the CEO of that company by making a deal with foriegn money, but again, this is not relevent to the topic at hand. Everything in my post, save for the final conclusion, is fact, free from opinion and has yet to be discussed in this thread.

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posted 04-08-2004 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wonderboy   Click Here to Email wonderboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sorry to get off the topic. Ghost, I was laughing at the babysitter thing because I'm envisioning all this as a television mini-series a few years down the road and it seems like to ideal spot to break to commercial.

Babysitter uncovers secret plot of Marvin Bush, leaving house, headlights bearing down on her, cut to tampax commercial.

But, back on topic, it all seems a little seedy. Makes one wonder why so few people know of a "Marvin Bush". Obviously, he's real.

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posted 04-08-2004 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BoredCynic™ v2.0     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Babysitter uncovers secret plot of Marvin Bush, leaving house, headlights bearing down on her, cut to tampax commercial."

Classic.

"you know, mother...I haven't exactly been feeling very "fresh" lately..."

"and now, we return you to 'Marv: Portrait of an Oily Weasel"...

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posted 04-09-2004 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frozen Ghost   Click Here to Email Frozen Ghost     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by wonderboy:

But, back on topic, it all seems a little seedy. Makes one wonder why so few people know of a "Marvin Bush". Obviously, he's real.

I think nobody knows about him because he is a loser.

I don't know, what's to talk about. Yeah, looks like cover the screw up time. But you know, if his name was Jones do you think he'd act any different? I've said this before, I think there are plently of things that need to be investigated.

Along this same vein, and not to distract, but does everyone remember the high number of sucides that surrounded the Clintin Admin? Nothing ever came of that as far as investigations did it?

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posted 04-11-2004 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joshua   Click Here to Email joshua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This has got some of the best data on this stuff...
http://www.daywilliams.com/clinton-related_deaths.html

And I do remember this being an issue.

I feel the same way about this as I do about Nixon, LBJ and the death of Kennedy. That is to say, I don't think Nixon and LBJ knew Kennedy was going to die, but I sure as hell think they knew men who knew Kennedy was going to die.

Clinton was tied to some organized crime, like all men of power, and I think he got deeply involoved in some pretty harry stuff. But I think those shadow men cleaned up after themselves, not to save Clinton, but to save themselves.

Problem is, none of it ever stuck. Mainstream reporters invistigated it to no avail. Republicans spent four times the amount of money investigating the Monica Lewinski (sp?) case than they have investigating 9/11. as well as the Whitewater investigations (with there never being an investigation of George Bush for Enron), but the Reps never sunk into an investigation of apparent suicides.

In comparison, there were 29 criminal convictions in the Reagan administration... but not one in the Clinton administration.

It seems the only sources for data on this are right wing nuts, which makes it just as suspect as data about the Bush administration actually comitting the 9/11 act - a theory running rampant through the more paraniod factions of the left. I think Bush was incompetant and greedy, but I don't believe he knew 9/11 was coming.

I believe Clinton was power hungry but I don't think he had those people killed. But I do think a lot of them were killed.

This is one truth I don't think we'll ever know.

I'd love it if someone else chimed up on this. I remeber hearing a lot of the data had been fabricated by right wing attack tanks. Which seems a hell of a lot more plausible considering what they did to John McCain in the Republican primaries. But I don't want to be partisan in this issue. Clinton seriously did some shady shit, and I know it... but I'm not convinced of murder.

Still, anything's possible

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posted 04-12-2004 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BoredCynic™ v2.0     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I cannot vouch for the validity of the partisan leanings or bias of this particular source today - right, left, or other (meaning, I don't know what they are where I found this today. I did a dogpile search from memory and got this partial confirmed list). But for whatever it's worth, it seems to be pretty close to how i remembered it. I'm sure we've all seen this before but I think it makes a goood addendum to Josh's post above.

The Clinton Death List:

BARBARA OLSON - Author of "Hell to Pay" - a book critical of Hillary Clinton, killed in the Pentagon bombing.

DARLENE NOVINGER - Former FBI operative, January 23rd, 2003. Novinger was known to hold sensitive information on the Clinton and Bush I administration's drug operations. Her husband murdered March 1987 when she went public with initial reports. Her father died July 8, 1993 four hours after Darlene was a guest on the Tom Valentine show. Suffered retaliation after reporting discussions by government protected drug smuggler who described contacts with Vice President George Bush and his son, Jeb Bush.

DAN MULLONEY, a television news photographer who shot footage of the 1993 Branch Davidian siege.

CHARLES RUFF - White House Counsel and Clinton defense attorney during the Monica Lewinsky scandal and the impeachment trial. Of apparent natural causes.

JAMES MCDOUGAL - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. McDougal was a key witness in Kenneth Starr's investigation.

MARY MAHONEY - A former White House intern was murdered July 6, 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened during the pre-trial publicity surrounding the Paula Jones lawsuit days after Newsweek's Mike Isakoff dropped hints that a former White House staffer was about to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

VINCENT FOSTER - Former White House counselor, and former colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose law firm. Foster was found dead July 20, 1993 of a gunshot to the head ruled a suicide. Rumours were that Foster and Hillary had an affair.

RON BROWN - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported a hole in top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

C. VICTOR RAISER II - Former National finance Co-Chairman, Clinton for President Campaign and son MONTGOMERY RAISER died in a private plane crash in Alaska, July 30th,1992. Raiser was described as a major player in the Clinton organization by Dee Dee Meyers.

JEREMY "MIKE" BOORDA, President Clinton's former Chief of Naval Operations allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest with a .38 caliber pistol on his front lawn in May 1996. The unauthorized wearing of valor pins was the alleged reasoning behind the suicide. By 1998 this reasoning was proved false after the Navy issued a report that said Boorda earned the right to wear the pins afterall.

PAUL TULLEY - Democrat National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, Arkansas September 24, 1992, Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

ED WILLEY - Clinton fund raiser-found dead November 30, 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide, Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed that Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

JERRY PARKS - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Parks' son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house

JAMES BUNCH - Died from a gunshot wound. Reported to have a black book of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

JAMES WILSON - Was found dead by hanging May 18, 1993. Was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

KATHY FERGUSON - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May,1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot wound to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Corbin Jones lawsuit. She was reported a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones case.

BILL SHELTON - Arkansas state Trooper and Fiancee of Kathy Ferguson.Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

GANDY BAUGH - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by falling out a window of a tall building January, 1991. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

FLORENCE MARTIN - Accountant subcontractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Dead of three gunshot wounds.

SUZANNE COLEMAN - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to back of head, ruled a suicide, was pregnant at the time her death.

PAULA GROBER - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

DANNY CASOLARO - Investigative reporter, investigating Mena airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. Found dead with slit his wrists in the middle of his investigation.

PAUL WILCHER - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC Apartment. Had delivered report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

JON PARNELL WALKER - Whitewater Investigator for Resolution Trust Corporation. Fell to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

BARBARA WISE - Commerce Department Staffer, worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

CHARLES MEISSNER - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

DR.STANLEY HEARD - Chair National Chiropractic Heath Care Advisory committee died with his attorney.

STEVE DICKSON - Died in a small plane crash. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

BARRY SEAL - Drug running pilot out of Mena, Arkansas. Death was no accident.

JOHNNY LAWHORN Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

STANLEY MUGGINS - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

HERSHELL FRIDAY - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

KEVIN IVES and DON HENRY - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas Airport Drug operation. This controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the two had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many people linked to the case died (see below) before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

KEITH CONEY - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck in July, 1988.
KEITH McMASKLE - Died, stabbed 113 times, November 1988.
GREGORY COLLINS - Died from a gunshot wound, January 1989.
JEFF RHODES - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
JAMES MILAN. Found decapitated-Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.
JORDAN KETTLESON - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
RICHARD WINTERS - Winters was a suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. Was killed in set-up robbery in July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING FORMER CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
- MAJOR WILLIAM S. BARKLEY JR.
- CAPTAIN SCOTT J.REYNOLDS
- SGT. BRIAN HANEY
- SGT. TIM SABEL
- MAJOR GENERAL WILLIAM ROBERTSON
- COL. WILLIAM DENSBERGER
- COL. ROBERT KELLY
- SPEC. GARY RHODES
- STEVE WILLIS
- ROBERT WILLIAMS
- CONWAY LeBLEU
- TODD McKEEHAN

And finally, BUDDY, the Presidential Dog, killed when he was struck by a car after having escaped his kennel.


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posted 04-12-2004 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BoredCynic™ v2.0     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GAA!. Somehow, I totally missed Josh' s posted Link.

Thank you for visiting the Department of Redundancy Department.

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posted 04-12-2004 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wonderboy   Click Here to Email wonderboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Damn! This is almost worse than east/west coast hip hop rivalries!

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posted 04-12-2004 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BoredCynic™ v2.0     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, Mike...almost.

But Hip-Hop rivalries are more embarrasing.

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